tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28132221.post115501897587214291..comments2023-10-28T15:45:13.773+01:00Comments on HistoryElephant: OddsHistoryElephanthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03944780231189526910noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28132221.post-1155123516742050542006-08-09T12:38:00.000+01:002006-08-09T12:38:00.000+01:00I shall keep the prize for myself thenI shall keep the prize for myself thenHistoryElephanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03944780231189526910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28132221.post-1155112730724282882006-08-09T09:38:00.000+01:002006-08-09T09:38:00.000+01:00I'd sugggest that, in your new career managing the...I'd sugggest that, in your new career managing the Post Office, you should deal with work-shy posties via an appropriate disciplinary procedure (perhaps with report cards and how-sick-are-you-really phone calls), rather than by the prize draw scheme outlined here (which ought to be reserved for those who aren't work-shy - who I assume are called work-extrovert).HistoryElephanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03944780231189526910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28132221.post-1155112111648696852006-08-09T09:28:00.000+01:002006-08-09T09:28:00.000+01:00With your use of the phrase 'perceived chance of w...With your use of the phrase 'perceived chance of winning' are you suggesting that the layabout postie in my example should only think he has a chance of winning but not actually have one?DBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323874548375345975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28132221.post-1155111715716463522006-08-09T09:21:00.000+01:002006-08-09T09:21:00.000+01:00so some fine-tuning would be required to ensure th...so some fine-tuning would be required to ensure that the perceived chances of winning a prize and the nature of the prize were sufficient to keep people on their toes.HistoryElephanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03944780231189526910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28132221.post-1155083402445335622006-08-09T01:30:00.000+01:002006-08-09T01:30:00.000+01:00Not if I were the sort of person that had good tim...Not if I were the sort of person that had good time management skills and had always, up until that point, got my timesheets on time.<BR/><BR/>Back to the Post Office scenario, how motivated would you feel if you'd been a postman for 10 years and hadn't had a day off sick (there must be a number of people like this) and some skiving layabout who pulls 1 or 2 sickies a month likes the sound of the scheme and does buy in to your motivational words so he straightens up and flies right and wins the prize draw. He, almost immediately, will think 'well, that's my luck up - not likely to win twice in a row' so can quickly backslide whilst the 'good guy' probably wonders why he bothered being diligent in the first place and quits to get a job in Sainsbury's.DBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323874548375345975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28132221.post-1155045351408597312006-08-08T14:55:00.000+01:002006-08-08T14:55:00.000+01:00It would be scraping off a small amount of everyon...It would be scraping off a small amount of everyone's salary in order to make a prize - so it would be more like a sweepstake. It would be suitable for companies that don't have enough money to pay bonuses or pay rises, as it allows them to create an incentive at little cost.<BR/><BR/>The fact that the idea of having part of your salary witheld doesn't appeal to you shows how it would motivate you to do something to get it back.HistoryElephanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03944780231189526910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28132221.post-1155039371288483892006-08-08T13:16:00.000+01:002006-08-08T13:16:00.000+01:00So you would withhold part of my salary and then, ...So you would withhold part of my salary and then, depending on the results of a random process (if I can trust you) potentially pay that money to one of my colleagues? <BR/><BR/>No thanks.DBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323874548375345975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28132221.post-1155030911345089512006-08-08T10:55:00.000+01:002006-08-08T10:55:00.000+01:00The examples you give are about offering prizes fo...The examples you give are about offering prizes for people to come to work, I would argue that this is different to a situation where people are juggling competing priorities. <BR/><BR/>All tasks have costs in terms of time and effort as well as benefits (usually in the negative form of avoiding hassle from irate users or clients but theoretically in a more positive form such as achieving a bonus target). <BR/><BR/>If the task you're asking them to do will either mean not doing something else equally important or working longer then people will make a choice based on the relative benefits to them. <BR/><BR/>Offering prizes, as with bonuses, is a way of structuring remuneration to include incentives, in other words it's a way of witholding salary if people don't do everything you want - which sounds a little bit more effective than paying them anyway and then clutching your handbag tightly in indignation when they don't do what is asked.HistoryElephanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03944780231189526910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28132221.post-1155027514270728242006-08-08T09:58:00.000+01:002006-08-08T09:58:00.000+01:00I'm afraid I'd view such a scheme in the way that ...I'm afraid I'd view such a scheme in the way that I viewed the news item about the <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3537176.stm" REL="nofollow">Post Office Scheme</A> where posties could win a car for making the tremendous effort of turning up for work on a regular basis or <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/976236.stm" REL="nofollow">Anti-Truancy Schemes</A> where you give prizes for kids that bother to attend school.<BR/><BR/>These schemes are all designed to give a reward to barrel-bottom dwellers to stop them being so idle. <BR/><BR/>In any sort of, ahem, professional services-based organisation, the argument would always be that this reward already exists and it's called a 'salary'.DBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15323874548375345975noreply@blogger.com